do you think all the debacle and kathleen sebelius called it that, the debacle with obamacare is a tipping point for that approach to government? >> i do. thank goodness people are awakened from their slumber thinking that it's okay for government to deceive us in thinking that they can -- they can give us free stuff. there ain't no such thing as a free lunch. and people have opened their eyes now understanding tea party patriots, they were right when they said this big-government policy crammed down our throat called obamacare, it's not good for america. people have awakened and realized tea party was right then. they may be right on a couple of other issues too. it is a tipping point. people are awake now. >> governor, on the other hand, obamacare does, and there is nobody questioning this, he is going to extend coverage to 30 million americans who are now uninsured, according to the nonpartisan congressional budget office, the last comprehensive republican approach would only cover 3 million. isn't that a problem? don't you guys have to come up with a better answer? >> i am one to quest